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Monday, May 20, 2024

KWIF: Next Goal Wins (+4)

KWIF is Kent's Week in Film where each week Kent has a spotlight movie in which he writes a longer, thinkier piece about, and then whatever else he watched that week, he just does a quick little summary of his thoughts instead of calling his mother. He must have been an evil bebe. 

This week:
Next Goal Wins (2023, d. Taika Waititi - Disney+)
Delicatessen (1992, d. Jean-Pierre Jeunet et Marc Caro - AmazonPrime/the binder)
Nemesis (1992, d. Albert Pyun - Tubi)
Requiem for a Dream (2000, d. Darren Aronofski - the binder)
Tokyo Godfathers (2003, d. Satoshi Kon - the shelf)

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There is a consistent rhythm to the dialogue of Taika Waititi's residents of American Samoa which is not to dissimilar to the rhythm of the Maori denizens of most of his New Zealand films... full of charm, good nature, and prepetual sense of positive optimism. That type of dialogue, and general nature, is something that Michael Fassbender's reluctant, angry, drunken, heartbroken, belligerant coach just is incapable of joining in on. In part because that is what the role calls for, and partly because this type of comedy is definitely not Fassbender's baileywick.

It results in the character of Thomas Rongen, a real life man who was basically left no other options than to coach the worst national team in international soccer/fütböl, taking a very expected white man's journey of learning and growing by embracing a culture other than his own. It's a true-ish story but that doesn't make it any more played out as a story. 

The thing is, knowing exactly what the journey would be deflated almost all expectations of true drama, and so the film  left with promoting the charms of the various actors playing the denizens of American Samoa, and every single one of them seems like someone you would just delight in being in their presence. It speaks to the dark place Coach Rongen had to be in to take so long to embrace it.

Waititi's film isn't a triumphant return to form by any stretch. It's a pretty wobbly narrative, a skeleton of story upon which hangs mere ribbons of characters, most of whom are teased with inner lives, but really none of which are not explored to any satisfaction. Yet it's not the nearly unwatchable mess of Thor:Love and Thunder, which was about as big a narrative and tonal misfire as we've gotten in the past 5 years.

I laughed a lot, and even cried a couple times. When a character explains to Coach the third gender of the island -- fa’afafine -- as a flower that makes our lives more beautiful, that got me real good. It takes Coach a little longer to come around, and given the increasingly crass and dangerously incendiary attacks by political and religious leaders on the trans community as a mode of riling up and distracting their followers from real issues affecting them, it makes for the film's most direly uncomfortable moments. The film takes place in 2011, which in the course of trans awareness was an eon ago, so Rongen at first is dismissive or insensitive or even aggressive about it, before befriending and mentoring Jaiyah (played by the stunning and charming Kaimana in what should have been a breakout role) as team captain, embracing her as its clear her community does.

I can see the editing lines of the film, the truncated drama, the expurgated character arcs, and half-remaining narrative framework in the remnants of Next Goal Wins. What is left is a mostly breezy picture about a group of people aiming for a low-stakes victory and probably being quite fine whether accomplishing it or not. I'm not sure I want to see the no doubt 30-minutes-longer version whose island breeze levity gets dragged down by too much emotional weight.

It's fine! Really!

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Delicatessen is a film I've been meaning to watch for 30 years, and, in fact, have had a DVD of it in the binder for 20 (but, sadly, in another region format).

In an amber-drenched, wet and smoggy post-apocalyptic France, we find amidst the ruin an isolated square where, beneath a tenement house, a butcher shop sells human meat. The meat is sourced primarily by drawing in unsuspecting victims with an ad that promises room and board in exchange for building upkeep labour. The meat's consumers, primarily, are the building's odd motley of tenents.

Enter Dominique Pinon's Luison, an out-of-work clown who starts charming many of the locals (though others don't sway from their meat cravings and keep their distance). Luison makes a connection with the butcher's mousy daughter who wants to save him from his fate. She enlists the rebel Troglodites who live in the sewer to kidnap Luison, and all hell breaks loose in the building.

Until the third act, the film is largely comprised of a series of vignettes that form a picture of the people of the building and a sense of this should-be-horrible world they exist in. Yet Jeunet and Caro inject this bleak landscape with a sense of whimsy and playfulness (accompanied by a winkingly jovial Parisienne score) that undercuts any and all darkness.

It does feel like the film is biding time though to get to its rollicking third act which takes its multi-level set piece and absolutely wrecks it in gloriously practical fashion. It's wondrous to behold and elevates this film from pleasant curiousity to sheer joy.

Jeunet and Caro cast, dress and style their band of actors like human cartoons. You would think given their various exaggerated features they were shot with a fish-eye lens to further accentuate their unique traits, mais non, they are just that fascinating to look at...or at least feel that way given the directors' lovingly curious way of capturing them on film.

This would program well as a triple feature with Kung Fu Hustle and The Shape of Water.

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I was listening to a podcast in which a trio of cult cinema fans (and professional screenwriters all) were nerding out over their love of Albert Pyun movies. Pyun has nearly 50 film directing credits (and a few uncredited efforts), of which the vast majority were released direct-to-video. The most "famous" of his features would be the Jean-Claude Van Damme feature Cyborg, and the not-even-laughably bad Captain America from 1990.

The funny thing was, as big a fan as these commentators were, they still could acknowledge that the majority of Pyun's work was, bluntly, pretty bad, but that the director has a penchant for getting putting a little more into some of his films, and getting a little more out of them, that his DTV contemporaries.

Nemesis was touted as the spotlight film for Pyun's filmmaking zeal, and, to be blunt, it's a pretty bad story about a largely nonsense war between humanity and cyborgs that is definitely riffing on both Terminator and Blade Runner, but having a fraction-of-a-fraction of the not just budget of either, but attention to detail in world building.

For starters, they get the definition of cyborg completely wrong. They call what are essentially sentient robots, "cyborgs" when the lead character, Alex Rain (the charmless Olivier Gruner), a "cyborg" hunter is himself a true cyborg, comprised largely of cybernetic parts. It's a maddening that a DTV genre movie that relies upon exploiting nerds for profit could get this one concept so wrong.

I won't go into the specifics of the story because the filmmakers didn't really seem to care, so why should I?  But within the first 30 minutes, Alex has been nearly killed and rebuilt twice, retired from his job and pulled back into it, and sent on a mission to do assassinate a "cyborg" rebel leader only to switch sides when he learns the truth. It's storytelling whiplash that would be infuriating if there was any sense of a character in Alex Rain at all.  Gruner seems to wrestle with any dialogue (it's clear English is not his first language) and cannot conjure up any sense of emotion. He does look good with his shirt off though, and it's off a lot.  

It's also insane how the film keeps pairing Alex up with characters and then killing the sidekick or companion off. It robs the film of any meaningful relationships for Alex, and pretty quickly you stop even trying to care about anyone that may pop up on screen, even plucky Max... Max Impact.

For as inane as the story is, and as checked out as I was, by the third act I was finding myself charmed by the film's action gusto. As noted, Pyun gets a lot out of his minuscule budget, and manages a pretty relentless stream of action sequences. They are not exceptionally well shot, but there are some clever flourishes amidst them, including one atop a collapsed building, one while two characters slide down a very long and wavy industrial (and very muddy) slide while shooting at each other, and a sequence in which Alex repeatedly shoots the floor out from under himself to descend four stories and escape a trap.

Then there's the big finale which results in Alex fighting a stop-motion robot skeleton which is not something you see anymore and for as silly as it looked, it was twice as charming.

Beyond Gruner, the acting is bad, but due to the script being so awful and the majority of the movie's dialogue being captured in post.  But we get small appearances from Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa, the ever reliable Tim Thomerson, a blink-and-you-miss-it Jackie Earle Haley appearance (I didn't even notice), and even a very nude, very young Thomas Jane.

I see the appeal of Pyun's work, but if this is the best of it (as per the podcasters' claims) I don't know that I could stomach anything much further down the quality scale.

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(filed under: horror,not horror)

I was 24 when Requiem for a Dream came out, and it was one of the scariest, most intense, viscerally upsetting films I had ever seen.

I felt scarred, yet I listened to the soundtrack (Clint Mansell with the Kronos Quartet) I don't know how many times. I couldn't brave watching it again however.

So why now? Same thing that triggers most of my movie watching these days: a podcast. The Blank Check crew were stating that Satashi Kon's Perfect Blue had an noted influence on director Aronofski, specifying that Requiem was a benefactor of Aronofski's fandom. I wanted to see if I could pick up on that now, having just watched Perfect Blue a few weeks ago.

But I don't really see it at all. Perhaps I just havn't studied either film enough to really plot the parallels.

Aronofski does have a playful lens and a feathery touch with the editing throughout the film but the playfulness lessens and the editing becomes more intense as the severity of the story escalates. I liked the splitscreening, and doubtlessly the quick cut montage of the heroin process is going to be Aronofski's most lasting contribution to pop culture.

I was sucked in by the showiness early on, thinking that it would allow me to sail unscathed through to the finale but damn that third act, as cartoony as it gets, remains scarring enough to want to wait another 24 years for another rewatch.

Ellen Burstyn is still incredible, Jared Leto is just this side of trying too hard, Marlon Wayans is great but the character gets short shrifted in the story department, and Connelly's performance breaks me. 

Oh, and how had I completely forgotten about Christopher McDonald's TV pitchman? The DVD menu screen only comes up after being forced to watch a minute of McDonald's infomercial, and then it lands on the active "order now" screen where the menu is slyly buried. One of the all-time great DVD menu screens for sure.

But is it horror? Not traditionally, but yes.

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I can't exactly recall when it was that Toast and Marmy screened Tokyo Godfathers for me, but I would hazard a guess that it was circa November 2005, where I needed to crash on their futon for a week.

I imagine I made it clear that anime wasn't my thing, and they must have made it clear that Tokyo Godfathers wasn't your typical anime.

My recollection of the events and characters of the film was naught, but the impression it had lasted these past two decades. I tried to coax my anime-loving kid to go see the film in the theatre this past holiday season, and they passed. Mainly because I didn't sell it very well. But I was disappointed we didn't go.

I had forgotten that the godfathers were not, in fact, three older, unhoused men but only one middle-aged unhoused man, a slightly younger trans woman, and a sixteen-year-old runaway. I had also forgotten it was, in fact, a Christmas movie, with elements of Buddhism and Shintoism that occur during the same week.

In the film, this rag-tag trio discover a baby abandoned amidst the trash (there is so much trash in this film). Hana, who had just been wishing to have a baby for Christmas, is overjoyed by the miracle. Both Gin and Miyuki think they should take the baby to the police, but Hana, herself having grown up a foster child, implores them to care for the baby, at least for Christmas so as not to forever ruin the holiday for the child. Hana names her Kiyoko.

Left with a bag full of clues, the film follows the trio for a week as they do their own search for Kiyoko's family. Throughout the search, there are numerous incidences of coincidence and happenstance that would feel far-fetched if not for the fact that the film is treading heavily in "the magic of Christmas".  I think many of the coincidences would usually annoy me, but director Kon is so adept at finding themes and meaning that most of the coincidences have deeper meaning for the story or a character, or both.

It is a remarkably compassionate and considerate movie. It humanizes its unhoused characters with great empathy without hiding any of their flaws or blemishes. Gin is a drunk, Hana is an impulsive loudmouth, and Miyuki may have some undiagnosed mental health issues. These traits, along with stubborn pride, seems to be keeping these characters on the streets. Gin, for all his flaws, is riddled with regret over his lost daughter, and definitely sees Miyuki and even Kiyoko (and perhaps even Hana) with that lens. Hana is full of love and affection, and shovels it out to all three of her found family in heavy doses in her own unique way. Miyuki is a scared, lost child, and needs her surrogate parents more than she cares to admit.

On Hana, Kon sort of conflates trans and drag as being the same thing, which obviously they are not. And while Hana is called a drag queen and has a community of drag performers she is a part of, she is very, very clearly a trans woman whom Kon has a tremendous affection for. Hana confidently and unwaveringly identifies as a woman, and her drag home seems to be more a safe place of acceptance.

The "one-crazy-night"-like scenarios they find themselves in are indeed maybe a little wild and crazy, yet still feel grounded. The impulse would be to ask why this is animated, as opposed to live action?  Animation allows the audience just enough distance reality that it demands one accepts and invests more into the characters. Animation makes it easier to live in the discarded world that the Godfathers find themselves in. In live action, we would be too confronted with the unpleasantness of all we throw away, that we discard and don't want to think about anymore. 

The colour tones Kon and his team of animators use for the characters is not vibrant, a lot of autumn tones, but the lights of the city are dazzling, so there's both a dinginess and a shimmer that play off each other. It is a beautiful movie visually and in its soul. I love it, and it's long overdue as part of my holiday viewing regimen.

I have loved each of director Kon's movies so far, but this is the clear frontrunner for me, definitely the sentimental choice. Paprika is going to have to do something pretty exceptional to unseed it (and while I hear Paprika is a mind-blowing exceptional movie, I wonder if the hype is maybe too much...we'll see next weekend).

 [hey, Toasty has a review! Of course we agree!]

Sunday, March 20, 2022

Horror, Not Horror: white millennial problems

 "Horror, Not Horror" movies are those that toe the line of being horror movies but don't quite comfortably fit the mold.  I'm not a big horror fan (Toast is the horror buff here), but I do quite like these line-skirting type movies, as we'll see.

Malignant - 2021, d. James Wan - Crave
Daniel Isn't Real - 2019, d. Adam Egypt Mortimer - amazonprime
Titane - 2021, d. Julia Ducournau - amazonprime
Fresh - 2022, d. Mimi Cave - Disney+

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I'm not a devoted follower of James Wan's career, but from what I've seen I do like him.  I'm not sure I've ever watched all of Saw, or if I've just read all about the Saw franchise.  I haven't watched any of the Insidious or The Conjuring series of films.  What I have seen are Furious 7 (though ask me to explain which one that is and I'm not sure I could tell you.  The Statham-as-villain one, I think?) and Aquaman.

As you might guess, given my proclivity towards superheroic things, it's the latter that really made me sit up and take notice of Wan as a director.  Aquaman is a delightfully bonkers movie and is a hundred times better than it had any right to be because the Warner/DC execs just let Wan's creativity explode and just jump through every type of genre.  That trust was his reward for having delivered an obscenely successful horror universe to Warner Bros.

And his reward for Aquaman being a billion dollar smash hit was a 40 million dollar+ blank check to make this, one of the most absurd yet entertaining pseudo-horror films in years.

Malignant is one of those movies that one doesn't want to say too much about as it might give too much away.  I can only imagine what it was like for someone unaware of the general premise of the film to sit through and discover what was really up.  And yet, after listening to the Malignant episode of How Did This Get Made, wherein Paul, June and Jason had no prior knowledge of what was about to be revealed, I think the movie plays better with a bit of that forehand info.  It's certainly a movie that was designed to be rewatched and to provide a little more upon second viewing.

There's a bit of setup that takes place up front using VHS video recordings of a psychiatric institute where something is brutally attacking the people in the facility.  The doctors seem completely aware of what is going on and have little concern for the lives being lost.  We never clearly see what being it is causing all this mayhem, but the last shot is of the feet of a child being dragged off.

Two and a half decades later, we meet Madison Lake (Annabelle Wallis, Peaky Blinders) a pregnant nurse and living with a real shitheel of a boyfriend.  After disrupting his important UFC-watching and cel-phone twittering, he cracks her head against the wall, knocking her unconscious.  When she wakes up she finds her dirtbag brutally murdered, his body twisted and cracked from inhuman force.

Madison is spooked, and she reconnects with her estranged sister, while working with the police to try and figure out who or what could have done what was done.  And then there are more murders, only Madison is having real-time visions of those murders (there's a neat effect of the world melting away around her when she starts having these visions).  Is she psychically connected to the murderer/entity.  And the ...thing is killing the doctors we saw on video 27 years earlier.  When the detective encounters the murderer, it's clear this thing is humanoid, but how it moves, how it speaks (via electronics, able to manipulate electricity), it's not quite human.

The fun of the film is how all these threads are connected, but I knew going in exactly how they were all connected and I could delight in what the film was holding back on, but also kind of plainly showing you. It's pulpy and purposefully schlocky.  There's very much a heightened sense to this reality, Wan really interested in making a big-budget homage to the low-budg direct-to-video horror of the 1980's.  It's violent, and gross, and wonderfully action heavy, but it's not especially scary.  Wan's inventive camera is constantly in play finding very inventive and impressive ways of navigating spaces and following action.  It's such a gonzo film, and a delight for it.  It's absurd in the best way, not caring if it's not realistic, it's just having fun with what it's doing.

But, is it horror?  
Yeah, it's totally residing in the genre despite not being particularly scary.  It's a cracking good time.

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Playing in similar ground as Malignant, though getting a bit deeper in the psychological horror, Daniel Isn't Real starts incredibly strong with an opening moment that, when it transitions to the next moment seems utterly disconnected and random, only to quickly come back in play again.  Young Luke, his parents on the cusp of divorce, walking alone down the sidewalk, pushes his way through a crowd, only to be horrified to have a dead woman staring back at him.  The trauma seems to conjure up Daniel, and imaginary friend, who takes him away from the horror, and they become fast friends.   But Daniel pushes Luke to do things, nefarious things, and Luke's mom (Mary Stuart Masterson) forces him to lock Daniel away in a literal doll house (but a figurative mind prison).  Daniel pounds, pounds, pounds, screaming to be let out.  

The pounding is heard over the scene transition, as we join Luke (Miles Robbins) to a little over a decade later,  now a quiet, studious college student who is sharing a dorm room with a total he-bro.  But there's that noise in the back of his brain, that knocking that has never left him, and his therapist (Peacemaker's Chukwudi Iwuji) tells him that by locking Daniel away he's locked a part of himself away, that's holding him back from being more socially engaged and threatening his happiness.

When he returns home for a visit, he finds his mother deep in the throes of a manic episode, her schizophrenia serious enough to hospitalize her.  Luke, left to his own devices, unlocks the dollhouse and sets Daniel (now Patrick Schwartzenegger) free, immediately appearing, having seemingly aged along with Luke.  Their friendship immediately rekindles and Daniel starts pushing Luke into doing more in the world, engaging more with the world, being social, sleeping with girls.  But Daniel also starts pushing Luke to behave in ways that don't seem like his kind, sensitive self, and ultimately Daniel learns how to take control of Luke's body.

Throughout, the film expertly toys with the question "Is Daniel real, or does Luke have schizophrenia like his mother, or is he possessed by demon?"  There are possibilities.

Is this a creature feature, or a metaphor for mental illness? There's a definitive answer (which I'm avoiding spoiling) but I'm not sure if the film is any more satisfying as a result of being so definitive.

Good performances from Robbins,Schwartzenegger,  Masterson, and Sasha Lane, but could have used more of Peacemaker's Chukwudi Iwuji as Luke's therapist (both cause I like Iwuji and I also think that character should have played a larger part as a barometer for Luke's sanity). The electronic score from "Clark" is quite good, it stands out and you take notice.  Director Mortimer and Cinematographer Lyle Vincent have quite a few well composed shots that add a bit more artistic flare than the average horror.   

This apparently is part of a trilogy along with Mortimer's Archenemy, and a yet unproduced third film that the writer/director teases as crossing the two films.

Be it now horror? 
Yes, it's very squarely in the horror genre, and really seems to be positioning Daniel as an old school horror franchise creature.

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I'm not sure what's going on in France but they're just not happy unless they're really, really, really pushing the limits of what a movie can be about.  I don't even go into French films that often, but even just using High Life and Annette as barometer, things are definitely getting weird over there.

Titane is by far the weirdest of them yet to come (though I've still to see Aline the bizarre quasi-Celine Dion bio-pic in which the writer/director/star plays an analog to the French-Canadian singer at every age!).  But clearly, with winning the Palm D'or at Cannes, this kind of madness is what French cinema wants, and celebrates.

AmazonPrime, the current rights holder in North America, classifies the film as "science fiction, suspense, horror".  I'm not sure that covers it.  It start with Alexia, a real shitheel of a kid, being really annoying while her father is trying to drive the car...first being really loud imitating the motor's hum, and then kicking the back of his seat, before disconnecting her seat belt and moving freely around the back.  This causes an accident, and Alexia gets a big chunk of metal in the side of her head.  20 or so years later Alexia is a dancer at car shows, where she wears trashy clothes and crawls all over cars for the pleasure of men around her.  Another dancer has taken an interest in her, hitting on her in the shower, while a fan tries to profess love to her in the parking lot.  What none of these people realize is Alexia is a killer.  And after a kill she likes to have sex with cars.

If you think you know what this film is based on that brief description, well, that's just the first act, and it definitely does not remain what you think.  

Now pregnant with a car baby, and a failed attempt at a self-performed abortion, Alexia's proclivities catch up with her, and she has to go on the run.  Where she hides, and with who, and how that relationship play out is the meat for the rest of the film, and given the set-up you never quite know where it's exactly going.

Agathe Rouselle, playing Alexia, delivers a very bold performance, spending much of the film naked (though rarely seeming vulnerable) and in prosthesis as well as heavy make-up on her head and body.  It can't have been a comfortable shoot, but she delivers a really off-putting but also compelling portrait that I don't think can ever be completely understood.  It's certainly a performance I wouldn't feel comfortable, at all, receiving from a male director (*cough* Blue is the Warmest Colour*cough*), but Ducournau's lens never ogles, somehow it's more belwildered.  I don't know if the body-binding, the body-oil, the metallic uterus, or even the metal plate are specific allegories at play (body binding is now very much trans-male coding but I don't sense that there's any specific trans commentary at play her), or if this is just the most bizarre story to show how far the desperate need for human connection will take us.

Boy howdy, that sounds horrifying, but is it?
It's not playing in any of the usual tropes of horror, it's simply by offering us a very disarming, potentially damaged personality in the opening that does horrific things that we can get a supremely intense tale about connectivity where you're on edge because anything could happen...even dancing.  A lot of dancing.  So, maybe?

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And catching us up to one of the most recent releases that's just buzz-buzz-buzzing around the socials, it's Fresh, a not-entirely-successful allegory that, at the same time, is just too well made to ignore. 

I'm going to just spoil it, because there's no easy way to talk about it without doing so...but here's a stab at it with minor spoilers below.

Fresh relies on presenting the unexpected, but how many people are going to get the true unexpected experience of this? If you hear a review, or someone tells you about it, even just a little, even if they just mention it's basically in proximity of the horror genre, the whole first act loses its potency, and if you see a poster, you can kind of see what's coming.

But it's still a harrowing story, like the Human Centipede but with an actual emotional core and a bit more purpose.  And there's definitely influence from  Bryan Fuller's Hannibal series, though comparatively a little light on the gratuitous food porn. Mimi Cave works the hell out of her environments, covering the space beautifully. I liked her use of portraits and forced perspective, just a great looking film that visually guides us where words do not.

I was quite engaged, but did check the runtime at least twice. It could have used a little shave here and there, carve another 10 or 15 off, really tighten it up. The end and doesn't wholly satisfy, and you really gotta wonder what's next. As much as I'm saying trim it down, it also could have used a (different) coda.

BIGGER SPOILERS below

So the first half hour of Fresh is directed and performed like a romantic comedy. Noa (Daisy Edgar-Jones) coming off bad "swipe right" app dates, finally meets cute at the grocery store as very charming and handsome reconstructive surgeon named Steve (Sebastian Stan) gets her going with talk about grapes.  A couple dates later they're sleeping together and Steve invites Noa out to a weekend getaway, much to the chagrin of Noa's best (and seemingly only) friend, Mollie (Jonica T. Gibbs).

Their first night away, where there's no cel reception, Steve drugs Noa, and when she wakes up he informs her that he fully intends to carve her up and sell her to a cabal of the 1% of the 1% who get off on eating young women.  Noa gets the lay of the land, gathers her wits and, looks to survive what Steve says she most definitely will not.  Meanwhile, Mollie gets her amateur sleuth on and starts trying to track Steve down.  It's both easier, and harder than you would expect.

At play we have a commentary on rape culture and human trafficking, and while Steve isn't sexually abusing his victims, he's still assaulting them and using their bodies for his own pleasure and profit.  The commentary is pretty surface level and the resolution is very Grindhouse, yet still somewhat satisfying in the turnaround, but it's just in how the story closes that it feels like we should still know more.

The opening act fake-out, in hindsight, really only works if you don't have any clue at all as to what you're walking in to, and as such it's overlong when you know this "romcom" pretence is just masking the terror that's to come.  As much as I like that it plays out this way, and that the credits drop 30 minutes into the film, separating the two genres if you will, it's probably not all necessary.

Horror, or not horror?
It falls into the genre of chained up people having terrible things done to them, but it's more about head games than gore.  That said, like Titane before it, it's second and third acts are pretty low key but then tremendously intense because of how their set up.